John Scheideman

Sugar sticks

Well, thanks to my friend and fellow blogger Paul Jackson(lead singer for the revitalized Prophets Quartet), I finally have something to say over here!

Paul wrote in his own blog about the propriety of gospel artists covering "signature" songs of other artists(or "sugar sticks", as the old quartet terminology refers to them as)...Paul seems to feel that most of these songs are so identified with certain artists(e.g., "Midnight Cry" with Gold City and Ivan Parker, and "Champion Of Love" with the Cathedrals).that it may well be bad form for someone else trying to record those songs.

And to some extent, I agree. Some songs have been recorded far too much("O What A Savior" leaps immediately to mind)by too many...and the likelihood of someone else recording somebody's "sugar stick" and making a similar impact with it IS rather remote. But is it all bad for some other artist who likes the song and feels he(or she, or they)can do justice to the arrangement and message of that song to TRY? I don't think so.

Sure, there are those who feel that the Dove Brothers and Signature Sound's renditions of "Get Away Jordan" are inappropriate, inferior to the Statesmen's classic version, or over the top in any case. But in defense of both those groups, their dusting off and bringing back that old classic has given it new appeal to a new generation of gospel music fans...and surely there is nothing wrong with that! That only helps gospel music overall, for it gets new fans looking back into the genre's history, and as they discover the riches of that, they learn how grand gospel music really is...and what a rich genre of music gospel is.

In fairness to Paul, he points out the difference between mere "sugar sticks" and true gospel standards, such as "How Great Thou Art", "Amazing Grace", and other such songs NOT identified with a particular singer. Paul argues(and I agree)that those type of songs cannot be sung often enough. Those songs' timelessness and intrinsic spiritual worth have not only stood the test of time, but insist, like Scripture, to be heard again and again.

Although I don't feel that my good friend Neil Enloe would mind if another artist or two recorded his modern standard "Statue Of Liberty"(though Neil's Couriers, the Cathedral Quartet, and the Liberty Quartet have all done notable versions of it). If a newer artist can take a classic song and make it a "sugar stick" of their own, why not?
Posted on Oct 16, 2007 - 02:26 PM | [16] Comments | Southern Gospel Music | Permalink

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I tend to agree, for the most part.

There are a few songs so closely identified with one singer that it might not be a bad idea to avoid singing them as long as that singer is on the road, especially if they are getting up there in years.

A classic example (in my opinion) would have been "We Shall See Jesus." In my opinion, it would have been in bad taste for a major group to record it in the later 90s.


Commented by Daniel J. Mount On 10/16/2007

John Scheideman's avatar Daniel...

Apparently those major groups agreed with you, that's why none of them did.

Now...a question for thought. If the thinking behind that is what you describe, is it possible that that's why the Cathedrals never tried to record "O
What A Savior" until when they finally did?

Morning glory and evening grace,

Giving the world a smile each day,

john.sogospelnews.com



Commented by On 10/16/2007

Actually, John the Cathedrals did record Oh, What a Savior earlier, in 1968 (on Focus on Glen Payne).

But that could indeed be part of the reason why it went out of their regular program and did not come back in until then.


Commented by Daniel J. Mount On 10/16/2007

Hey guys-

I read the Paul Jackson blog and then the John Scheideman blog and finally the Daniel Mount comments. I think you're ALL right. How's that for diplomacy?

The first quartet I ever sang in while I was a high schooler, way back in the fifties, did "O What A Savior". Perhaps a song that has remained popular for so long partially attributes it longevity to the many groups who have helped perpetuate its acceptance, familiarity and endearment. In such case the song needs the artists and the artists need the song.


Commented by On 10/16/2007

I agree with you guys on this one too.

There is not a big deal about singing "someone else's songs" because the song is the focus (or at least it should be) and if the Dove Brothers are not in town, why shouldn't another group sing "Get Away Jordan" (or any song, for that matter)
That being said, I was a bit surprised to hear that EH&SS;not only recorded that song, but made it the title cut, etc. THEN.... I heard their version. What is the problem? Aside from the words being the same, it is as far from "Get Away Jordan" that the Doves and Statesmen sing/sang as any song out there....

The style changes the song sometimes, so it is still McCray's Sugar Stick.......


Commented by bludline On 10/17/2007

OK guys...I'm enjoying this chat.

#1. My post, at my blog clearly expresses that these are my very subjective opinions about what I am comfortable recording. John, you have more objectivity and than me.

#2. NEIL, you are brilliant bro! "Statue...", to me (IMO), is an exception. I believe that songs with a patriotic thread in them, belong to all...much like a standard. In reality, "Statue..." needs to be sung and sung...year after year. Our church almost feels like we skipped July 4th if we don't sing it! If it's not already achieved standard status, it is on the cusp. Wow! What a song!

#3. "Oh What A Savior", to me, IS a "gospel" standard. Done so often, by so many that no one can transcend it's fame and appeal. Though certainly not so universally known as "How Great...", among SG fans, it is widely known and appreciated. Ernie has done much to re-popularize the song...BUT, IMO, the song stands on it's on...and did before EH ever performed it. I love hearing Ernie do it. He has certainly made it work for him and his group(s). Wish eveyone could have heard Johnny Cook present it. I had the great priviledge to actually play for him when he performed it in some of our crusades and conferences. His delivery, of this grand song, was peerless. Heaven's choir, might just give him the first shot at it!

OK...I know...just who's blog is this!
Thanks for the chat John.

Paul Jackson / The Prophets
http://www.pauljacksongroup.com/blog



Commented by Paul Jackson On 10/18/2007

John Scheideman's avatar S'OK, Paul...I value the interaction. Jump in any time you please on anything you care to comment on.

Morning glory and evening grace,

Giving the world a smile each day,

john.sogospelnews.com



Commented by On 10/19/2007

Sometimes my mind wonders.........What If the Cathedrals recorded "Saviour" a few years earlier with Danny, Mark,and Gerald? Would it have been an instant hit with that lineup,and would the song have been so popular at concerts and be staged after Roger, Scott, and Ernie came aboard?


Commented by On 10/19/2007

Thanks John...back at ya' man. Feel free to comment on my blog...anytime. Your input is always respected.

Quaid...let that mind keep wandering...Daniel could tell us if the Cat's did "Savior"...seems like he said Glen did it with the Cats. Mmm?
Bet it was great!

Paul Jackson / The Prophets
http://www.pauljacksongroup.com/blog



Commented by Paul Jackson On 10/20/2007

Yes, but that was in the later 60s, 1968 I believe. I have that in my collection. (In fact, I have just about everything the Cathedrals recorded in my collection!)


Commented by Daniel J. Mount On 10/20/2007

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